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mayablue
mayablue
40. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 13 2008, 8:07 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 13 2008, 8:07 PM EDT
"Actually, by the time the finale rolls around, Jenny and Niki are no longer together. Jenny gets fired from the movie because of the sex tape she and Niki made together and when Jenny runs to the set to talk to her about it, Niki's managers intervene and tell her to get away from Niki, so Jenny appeals to the cast and crew, telling them that the producers are treacherous and soulless and that they can all leave with her and show them that they can't do this to her. So she asks anyone with integrity to come with her, but the only person who says she'll go with her is SHANE.

Jenny goes to Niki and begs her to leave the studio with her, but Niki doesn't say a word and seems more concerned about her career and the sex tape getting out than Jenny being fired. So Jenny leaves the studio with Tina and Tina insists that Shane go and look after Jenny, because Shane and Tina are both worried about Jenny and what she might do. At their place, Shane and Jenny talk and Jenny says to Shane (as she said to Tina before she left the studio) that Niki is *dead to her*. In ep 12, we find out that Jenny has refused to speak to Niki since she was fired in ep 11.

So - the short version is: Niki might very well not be Jenny's girlfriend anymore, but NIKI is the one who kisses Shane first and initiates the whole thing. Shane is so broken up after breaking things off with Molly (after a brutal confrontation with Phyllis), that she's completely destroyed and she and Niki get to talking at the wrap party and they're both miserable. Normally, Shane wouldn't do such a thing, but it's clear from her behavior that she is NOT IN HER RIGHT MIND when she arrives at the party and is not herself when she goes to fuck Niki. Shane would never want to hurt Jenny, but she's completely devastated from her run-in with Phyllis and pushing Molly away for her own good to fully comprehend what it is she's doing."
very informative, thanks muchly. Countdown 3 days to ep. 11 for me.
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jainieg
jainieg
41. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 13 2008, 9:18 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 13 2008, 9:18 PM EDT
I'm not making excuses for Shane. I'm just telling you what happens. The thing is, Phyllis totally blind-sides Shane and really hurts her. We don't see Bette or Alice talking to Phyllis and saying these things, but the way Phyllis speaks when she's talking to Shane, the things she says sound like direct quotes. She's telling Shane that the people she's loved and supported and cared about all these years think she's bad news and considering the fact that Shane has looked at Bette and Tina and Alice as her only family, hearing that from Phyllis is very painful, for her. And yes, while what Phyllis says IS true, that doesn't change the fact that Bette, Tina and Alice have ALL done bad things and made horrible mistakes and Shane has backed up each and every one of them and supported them and helped them to deal with the repercussions of their bad choices. Bette, Tina and Alice have *never* done anything like that for Shane in all the time they've known her. They just criticize and underestimate and disrespect her, no matter how hard she tries to make them happy and help them.

I'm not trying to make excuses or justify what Shane does. Because it's not right, but that being said, I can understand *why* Shane does what she does in the finale. She's crushed. She's completely devastated and totally disillusioned with her friends as well as any hope she might have had to have something meaningful with Molly. Nobody ever has any faith in Shane and that's largely why she's still not making as much progress as she could be. If the people around you only ever expect the worst from you and/or no improvement at all, then what kind of affect does that have on your own confidence that you'll be able to be more than you are?

The great thing about Shane and Jenny's relationship is that they've always been able to work things out. Even after the finale, I still think they will be able to
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sriwijava
sriwijava
42. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 13 2008, 10:03 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 13 2008, 10:03 PM EDT
"I'm not making excuses for Shane. I'm just telling you what happens. The thing is, Phyllis totally blind-sides Shane and really hurts her. We don't see Bette or Alice talking to Phyllis and saying these things, but the way Phyllis speaks when she's talking to Shane, the things she says sound like direct quotes. She's telling Shane that the people she's loved and supported and cared about all these years think she's bad news and considering the fact that Shane has looked at Bette and Tina and Alice as her only family, hearing that from Phyllis is very painful, for her. And yes, while what Phyllis says IS true, that doesn't change the fact that Bette, Tina and Alice have ALL done bad things and made horrible mistakes and Shane has backed up each and every one of them and supported them and helped them to deal with the repercussions of their bad choices. Bette, Tina and Alice have *never* done anything like that for Shane in all the time they've known her. They just criticize and underestimate and disrespect her, no matter how hard she tries to make them happy and help them.

I'm not trying to make excuses or justify what Shane does. Because it's not right, but that being said, I can understand *why* Shane does what she does in the finale. She's crushed. She's completely devastated and totally disillusioned with her friends as well as any hope she might have had to have something meaningful with Molly. Nobody ever has any faith in Shane and that's largely why she's still not making as much progress as she could be. If the people around you only ever expect the worst from you and/or no improvement at all, then what kind of affect does that have on your own confidence that you'll be able to be more than you are?

The great thing about Shane and Jenny's relationship is that they've always been able to work things out. Even after the finale, I still think they will be able to"
yea.................u right u not trying to make excuse for Shane.......and i think u right no one ever stand behind Shane not even when Shane with Cherri or Carmen...yes...u right in the spoiller looks like Shane really not herself when Nikki talk to shane.........thanks for the information....i knew Shane wouldnt do anything without a reason...........:):):)...Shane is Shane.......
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mayablue
mayablue
43. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 13 2008, 10:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 13 2008, 10:09 PM EDT
you have made a good point, Shane is very loyal so her sisters ought to be loyal too... 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
sriwijava
sriwijava
44. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 13 2008, 10:29 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 13 2008, 10:29 PM EDT
"you have made a good point, Shane is very loyal so her sisters ought to be loyal too..."
yes........Jenny n Shane the honest and purest friendship.....with their unique n dark personality......hard to angry to Shane coz she always behind her friends to back up no matter what they do.......being loyal....and as the payback their friends try to understand Shane weakness...so far Jenny is the one who understand Shane the most..........
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z0ime
z0ime
45. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 14 2008, 4:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 14 2008, 4:57 PM EDT
"In the season finale, Jenny DOES NOT mean Niki when she's giving her speech at the wrap party. Everybody involved with the production of the Lez Girls movie already *knew* about Niki and Jenny being involved with each other, including the crew, the cast, Adele, William, Aaron and all of Jenny's friends. So when Jenny says 'I realized something really important today. That... I am *madly* in love with SOMEONE," it's not entirely clear, at first, who she's referring to, but when you consider the fact that everyone already knew about her and Niki, then the likelihood of it being Shane goes up. Because everybody already knew about Niki and Jenny - so if she says 'someone' rather than 'Niki', that means there's someone else she's in love with, since everybody already knew. There was no reason for Jenny to be coy. Everyone already knew about her and Niki.

Plus, in episode 11, Jenny tells Shane that she's NOT IN LOVE with Niki, anymore. So why would she turn around and realize that she was madly in love with 'someone' if this someone was Niki? Why would she speak about it as a revelation? Because it's NOT Niki. Jenny wouldn't go from '[Niki's] dead to me' in ep 11 to 'madly in love' again, especially when you consider the fact that Jenny has refused to speak to Niki since episode 11.

The person Jenny has realized she is in love with is Shane. "
i act think that they gonna end up sleeping together on 511 =) i have said that now for so long but noone believes in that.
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bads
46. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 14 2008, 5:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 14 2008, 5:09 PM EDT
"i act think that they gonna end up sleeping together on 511 =) i have said that now for so long but noone believes in that."
I love it when they sleep together ..It's so xcoolx..good
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jainieg
jainieg
47. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 14 2008, 5:33 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 14 2008, 5:33 PM EDT
"i act think that they gonna end up sleeping together on 511 =) i have said that now for so long but noone believes in that."
Well, I've seen the episode and I think Shane and Jenny might take a nap together or something. They get really stoned together and when Max comes home, he finds the two of them snuggled up on the couch together. It's a very sweet moment. They look so beautiful together. Perfect.
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z0ime
z0ime
48. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 14 2008, 6:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 14 2008, 6:23 PM EDT
"Well, I've seen the episode and I think Shane and Jenny might take a nap together or something. They get really stoned together and when Max comes home, he finds the two of them snuggled up on the couch together. It's a very sweet moment. They look so beautiful together. Perfect."
where have u seen it? yeah i think they get stoned or something but will the sleep together? cause in ep 12 i dont think jenny mean nikki when says she would like to thank a spec person someone she loves.
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jainieg
jainieg
49. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 14 2008, 7:39 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 14 2008, 7:39 PM EDT
"where have u seen it? yeah i think they get stoned or something but will the sleep together? cause in ep 12 i dont think jenny mean nikki when says she would like to thank a spec person someone she loves."
Yep, they get stoned, but they don't have sex - I think they just fall asleep together or something. And no, I don't think Jenny is referring to Niki in her speech in episode 12. Jenny says, "I realized something really important this afternoon. That ... I am *madly* in love with someone... and it's changed the way I feel about all of this [ie. the movie]."
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bads
50. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 14 2008, 8:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 14 2008, 8:26 PM EDT
"Yep, they get stoned, but they don't have sex - I think they just fall asleep together or something. And no, I don't think Jenny is referring to Niki in her speech in episode 12. Jenny says, "I realized something really important this afternoon. That ... I am *madly* in love with someone... and it's changed the way I feel about all of this [ie. the movie].""
I like the way she sas that...I love a special one also..I keep her in my heartat all times
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sriwijava
sriwijava
51. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 14 2008, 10:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 14 2008, 10:34 PM EDT
"Yep, they get stoned, but they don't have sex - I think they just fall asleep together or something. And no, I don't think Jenny is referring to Niki in her speech in episode 12. Jenny says, "I realized something really important this afternoon. That ... I am *madly* in love with someone... and it's changed the way I feel about all of this [ie. the movie].""
wow....i really got to see episode 12.......!!! what will happen in season 6......i wonder........
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valix89
valix89
52. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 18 2008, 2:13 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 18 2008, 2:13 PM EDT
I hope that Mia/Jenny will not dicide to leave the series...because of this... 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
z0ime
z0ime
53. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 18 2008, 3:23 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 18 2008, 3:23 PM EDT
"I like the way she sas that...I love a special one also..I keep her in my heartat all times "
i really wanna see ep 12 cant wait =/ i think a week is a very long time :P i wonder if carmen will be back in season 6 or if shane and jenny will end up together i thing that it would be cool but still i see shane as a big sister for jenny not a lover . but who cares Ilene will end up screwing the show anyway,
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mokenpahu
54. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 18 2008, 4:42 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 18 2008, 4:42 PM EDT
"I'm not making excuses for Shane. I'm just telling you what happens. The thing is, Phyllis totally blind-sides Shane and really hurts her. We don't see Bette or Alice talking to Phyllis and saying these things, but the way Phyllis speaks when she's talking to Shane, the things she says sound like direct quotes. She's telling Shane that the people she's loved and supported and cared about all these years think she's bad news and considering the fact that Shane has looked at Bette and Tina and Alice as her only family, hearing that from Phyllis is very painful, for her. And yes, while what Phyllis says IS true, that doesn't change the fact that Bette, Tina and Alice have ALL done bad things and made horrible mistakes and Shane has backed up each and every one of them and supported them and helped them to deal with the repercussions of their bad choices. Bette, Tina and Alice have *never* done anything like that for Shane in all the time they've known her. They just criticize and underestimate and disrespect her, no matter how hard she tries to make them happy and help them.

I'm not trying to make excuses or justify what Shane does. Because it's not right, but that being said, I can understand *why* Shane does what she does in the finale. She's crushed. She's completely devastated and totally disillusioned with her friends as well as any hope she might have had to have something meaningful with Molly. Nobody ever has any faith in Shane and that's largely why she's still not making as much progress as she could be. If the people around you only ever expect the worst from you and/or no improvement at all, then what kind of affect does that have on your own confidence that you'll be able to be more than you are?

The great thing about Shane and Jenny's relationship is that they've always been able to work things out. Even after the finale, I still think they will be able to"
Well, I agree with you partly,but if Shane your friend in real life and she did that to the girl you were dating. Maybe you would have a different reply. It's terrible that Shane comes off as this cool,sexy,and confidence,but if you really think about it? She shouldn't of let Phyllis 's words get to her like that,and knowing how the girls all stick together in a time of need. She shouldnt go around screwing her bestfriend's girl. That's not how a person,at least a healthy person deals with things. I like Shane and Jenny to be together....its sad that it ends like this for the both of them. Until next season....
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Pascale4you
Pascale4you
55. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 18 2008, 5:05 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 18 2008, 5:05 PM EDT
I'm sorry,but there is no excuse for Shane betraying Jenny like this,whatever she's been true with B,T and Alice,as I recal,Jenny took a step back in favor of Shane at the time of Carmen,so Jenny has been verry loyal to Shane.Ok Jenny said she didn't love Nikki anymore,but you know love doesn't pas in a blink of an eye,she just lost her job in the most humilyating way,and her girlfriend Nikki,didn't stand by her (afther statements like "I wanna have your baby's" and "let's go to Ireland or Japan and raise a family",Jenny believed she had a good thing going at last,and Shane saying Nikki is a nobody,she should have fucked anyone but Nikki...That's my opinion anyway.DEVASTATED?Come on...maybe next you will insinuate that she has such low selfasteam cause of her friends,that she's in title
to insult her only true friend, by treating herself to candybar Nikki !?
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mokenpahu
56. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 18 2008, 5:22 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 18 2008, 5:22 PM EDT
"I'm sorry,but there is no excuse for Shane betraying Jenny like this,whatever she's been true with B,T and Alice,as I recal,Jenny took a step back in favor of Shane at the time of Carmen,so Jenny has been verry loyal to Shane.Ok Jenny said she didn't love Nikki anymore,but you know love doesn't pas in a blink of an eye,she just lost her job in the most humilyating way,and her girlfriend Nikki,didn't stand by her (afther statements like "I wanna have your baby's" and "let's go to Ireland or Japan and raise a family",Jenny believed she had a good thing going at last,and Shane saying Nikki is a nobody,she should have fucked anyone but Nikki...That's my opinion anyway.DEVASTATED?Come on...maybe next you will insinuate that she has such low selfasteam cause of her friends,that she's in title
to insult her only true friend, by treating herself to candybar Nikki !?
"
Yeah really....its just soo sad!!!
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jainieg
jainieg
57. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 18 2008, 11:26 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 18 2008, 11:26 PM EDT
"I'm sorry,but there is no excuse for Shane betraying Jenny like this,whatever she's been true with B,T and Alice,as I recal,Jenny took a step back in favor of Shane at the time of Carmen,so Jenny has been verry loyal to Shane.Ok Jenny said she didn't love Nikki anymore,but you know love doesn't pas in a blink of an eye,she just lost her job in the most humilyating way,and her girlfriend Nikki,didn't stand by her (afther statements like "I wanna have your baby's" and "let's go to Ireland or Japan and raise a family",Jenny believed she had a good thing going at last,and Shane saying Nikki is a nobody,she should have fucked anyone but Nikki...That's my opinion anyway.DEVASTATED?Come on...maybe next you will insinuate that she has such low selfasteam cause of her friends,that she's in title
to insult her only true friend, by treating herself to candybar Nikki !?
"
I'm not saying that there IS an excuse. What Shane does isn't right, granted, but I'm just trying to explain the mindset that Shane is in when she does this. Normally, no, Shane would *never* do something like this - to any one of her friends at all, much less Jenny - but you have to understand, Shane is *not in her right mind*, at all. And Shane does in fact have very low self-esteem and the treatment she receives from her friends doesn't help her. When Phyllis tells Shane the things that Bette and Alice have told her, it devastates Shane. It destroys her completely, to the point where she agrees when Niki says that you can't care and can't give a shit about other people, because you'll wind up getting yourself in trouble. THAT is the mindset that Shane is stuck in after her run-in with Phyllis. Shane is full of self-loathing and pain and is not the same person we know. Shane doesn't purposefully do it to hurt Jenny, not at all, but a combination of the self-loathing, pain from pushing Molly away and finally coming to terms with how her friends see her leads Shane to this point where she has NO hope for herself. Phyllis has, in one fell swoop, completely wiped all of that out.

So yeah, I don't think what Shane did was right, but I do feel sorry for her, because she did NOT deserve to be treated that way by Phyllis and she did NOT deserve to have her friends talking about her to other people behind her back. She has always stuck by Bette, Alice and Tina and was there for Bette when no one else wanted anything to do with her, and yet Bette and Alice *always* talk about Shane behind her back and ruin things for her. They can't let her be happy or have any happiness at all, because if she does, then she can't be the wretched fucked up scapegoat they need to make them feel better about themselves.
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jainieg
jainieg
58. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 18 2008, 11:33 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 18 2008, 11:33 PM EDT
"Well, I agree with you partly,but if Shane your friend in real life and she did that to the girl you were dating. Maybe you would have a different reply. It's terrible that Shane comes off as this cool,sexy,and confidence,but if you really think about it? She shouldn't of let Phyllis 's words get to her like that,and knowing how the girls all stick together in a time of need. She shouldnt go around screwing her bestfriend's girl. That's not how a person,at least a healthy person deals with things. I like Shane and Jenny to be together....its sad that it ends like this for the both of them. Until next season...."
I know a lot of people are saying that Shane should have seen through Phyllis' words, but you guys aren't understanding - when Shane and Molly go to have breakfast with Phyllis and Joyce, at first, Molly doesn't want to have anything to do with Joyce, but Shane takes her aside and at one point says 'well, your mom wasn't so crazy about the idea of you seeing me' - and she's speaking in the past-tense. As far as Shane is concerned, she considers this invitation to breakfast from Joyce as a white flag or a sign that any sour feelings she has towards Shane are gone. So when Shane is talking with Phyllis at the museum later in the episode, her guard is completely and totally down - she's with Molly and she's very happy and she thinks that Phyllis is finally cool with the two of them being together. That's why what Phyllis says hits Shane so hard and that's why she takes the words to heart like she does. Because she's in a very open and vulnerable place and Phyllis is just cruelly blind-siding her out of the blue, right in this moment where Shane is so vulnerable. And that's why Shane is so torn up by what Phyllis says.

Shane is not a healthy person and has never been, but after Phyllis does this to her, Shane is a thousand times worse than she ever was before. This totally breaks her on many, many different levels - because Phyllis is making Shane question herself, her friends, her relationship with Molly and whether or not she can truly be good for her or not. Phyllis is basically taking Shane's entire life that she has now and ripping it away from her in one fell swoop. Shane really was making progress, but between Bette and Alice telling Phyllis all this crap about Shane behind her back and Phyllis using it against her, Shane is feeling very betrayed and hurt and lost.
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jainieg
jainieg
59. RE: Shane betrays Jenny
Mar 18 2008, 11:35 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 18 2008, 11:35 PM EDT
*she considers this invitation to breakfast from PHYLLIS, I should say. Typo. >.< 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
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